Question:
how does train gets electricity for the lights,fan and a/c?
Swaminathan K
2009-02-02 03:09:31 UTC
how does train gets electricity for the lights,fan and a/c?
Thirteen answers:
mariner31
2009-02-02 07:04:14 UTC
In the US, almost every diesel-electric locomotive has what's called "Head End Power". Either taking power from the prime-mover (the engine driving powering the traction motors), OR from an additional diesel that drives a separate generator.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_end_generator
aviophage
2009-02-02 12:28:57 UTC
All of the previous answers are wrong or incomplete in some way or another. The locomotives do not supply electricity for passenger cars in diesel-powered trains.



The traditional way was for lights, fans, A/C and other equipment on passenger cars to be powered by Direct Current from batteries in battery boxes under the car frame. These batteries were kept charged by a generator turned by the axles. Each passenger car had a generator.



If you look under older passenger cars, you will often see the generator. It looks like an antique electric motor with a pulley on one side, near one of the trucks. There will be a corresponding pulley on the nearest axle, and there was a leather belt slung between the two pulleys. There was enough slack in the belt to allow the trucks to turn when the train went around curves.



In newer passenger cars (for example, streamlined cars of the 1940s and 50s), the belt was replaced by a drive shaft with universal joints. The generator on these cars was lengthwise on the frame, rather than crosswise.



In passenger cars with luxury features, there was often a rotary inverter to provide 110 volt house current to a few outlets in the car.



In later years (Amtrak days) many passenger cars had small diesel generator sets installed under the frame. The clue to these is that there are compartments with louvered doors and a cooling radiator under the frame. These became necessary as the electrical and A/C loads became greater.



In the days of wheel-driven generators, there were also DC dynamos installed at passenger stations and provisioning centers, and the lights could be operated and the batteries charged by the stationary dynamo while the train stood still.



There is usually a cable that interconnects the cars so that if one of the generators fails the car will not lose power. This goes back to the earlier equipment as well, and some railroads developed a heat and light car that looks like a baggage car, but contains a steam generator and a diesel generator set. This allows locomotives that are not equipped with a steam generator to pull a passenger train.



The heat and light car also provides electricity for passenger cars whose old generators are no longer operable.
Wolf Harper
2009-02-04 21:35:17 UTC
Bear with me, I'm going to dive deep into how diesel trains do it, but first let me touch briefly on how subway cars, streetcars and the like do it. They use overhead wire or third rail to get typically 600-1500VDC. Heat and A/C runs directly on that. Lighting might run either on that directly, or on 240VAC made with an inverter, or on batteries. There's usually something in the lighting circuit to keep it from flickering. Batteries are typically 32 or 36 volts DC. Emergency lighting is batteries. In the old days, lighting was quite different, ask if you're curious.



OK. Here's how it's done on North American diesel-pulled passenger equipment.



One of the locomotives has an auxiliary generator onboard, which generates either 480 or 575 volts AC, three phase, 60 cycle. 480 is more common, and is commonly used in industrial shops all over North America. Some systems crank it to 575 volts so they can carry more power over the same thickness of cable (which is rated at 600V).



Locomotive generators are typically rated at 500kw or more - lots of power, enough to run a small town. Sometimes it's a shaft-driven alternator off the engine, but that forces the engine to run at one speed. Sometimes there's a semiconductor inverter that lets the engine run at any speed. Sometimes it's a second diesel engine.



Electricity comes back to the car via 480V connectors - typically four per car, though some systems go "cheap" and go with two or one. Here's a connector. It is the size of your forearm. http://www.nwrail.com/HEP_config.html

Each connector carries all three phases, plus a "sense" line. The heavy wires are 0000 gauge (also called 4/0 or "four-ought".) There are 4 connectors simply to allow more current to flow, and sometimes to allow two separate circuits. Poke around the site above and you'll find much more.



Now, about that sense line. 4-connector HEP typically has two connectors on each side of the car. Let's say A and B on the left, and C and D on the right. The sense wire is simply wired all the way through. At the rear end of the train, the end connector can't be exposed - it has 480VAC on those pins! So the "A" connector is simply plugged into the "B" connector. This is called "looping back" because it also means at the end of the rain, the sense wire loops from A to B. The locomotive sends a signal down the sense wire for "A", and it checks whether it gets the same signal back on "B". If it does, it knows everything's plugged in right and there are no exposed plugs. It does the same thing with "C" and "D". And if all that checks out, it knows it's safe to turn the power on.



Now, what do the cars do with the power? Heat runs directly on the 480VAC 3phase, big old heating coils like you find in an electric heater. The air conditioner is huge and also runs on the 480VAC 3phase.



The cars have 3 transformers, which reduce down to 240V single-phase with a center tap for 120V. This is exactly like the wiring in your house, except the transformers would be up on a telephone pole. All the little stuff runs on regular old 120V. The fluorescent lighting comes off the 240V circuits. Another power supply converts 240VAC to 28 volts DC to run those "airplane style" seat reading lights. 28 volts DC happens to be the voltage airplanes use.



Modern passenger coaches also have batteries, typically 32 volts or 36 volts. The batteries are charged from 240VAC. The batteries run auxiliary lighting, controls and a bunch of little stuff. There is a "load-shed" circuit on the battery that if the battery runs low, will shut down everything except critical safety systems - the intercom, the radio and the red rear marker light. I've been in the bathroom changing clothes when that happened.



What about high-voltage AC electrification like on the Amtrak northeast corridor? In that case, the cars work exactly as I described under "diesel", but the locomotive has the tricky job of converting high-voltage AC single-phase (which may be 60Hz or 25Hz) into 480VAC 60Hz 3-phase.
I <3 Trains (Hoosier)
2009-02-02 15:38:45 UTC
There is usually a line to hook up with the locomotive. Diesels generate electricity for traction motors to turn the wheels, and some electricity can power these amenities. However, if you are at a museum like the one I volunteer at there is a passenger car or baggage car with a generator in it. But we use 1950's diesels and a steam locomotive on occasion.
lawagoneer
2009-02-02 04:52:19 UTC
Depends on what type of train you're talking about. A subway train or street car get their electricity from either a third rail in the tracks (subway and elevated train) or overhead cables (New Orleans Type Street cars) A locomotive type train is Diesel electric- that is the trains diesel motors drive generators which provide the power for the electric motors which drive the train and all the electronic equipment on the train.
2009-02-04 15:50:02 UTC
On electric trains it just comes from the overhead wires. On diesel powered trains they have a seperate generator that puts out 360 volts for the train. This is called HEP or head end power.
Stephan W
2009-02-04 13:27:45 UTC
@aviophage: the technology you're describing is what was standard around the 1950s.

Of course there are lots of cars with wheel generators still in use (especially in devedloping-countries) but for modern railroads power provided by the engine has been standard for decades.
STEVEN P
2009-02-03 09:13:01 UTC
in south africa on our electric locos 6e1 and 18e's there are two motor alternator sets, 3kv dc driven from the 3kv overhead supply (dc) one set the supply set supplies 110vdc for the compressor, exhauster heaters, hotplates and battery charging, and for excitation of the exciter set, which supplies excitation the main traction motors and blowers, cooling fans. on the 18e loco the cooling fans are 3 phase ac motors, working through inverters,
legbluetrain
2009-02-02 10:55:29 UTC
Genearator produces electricity on diesel-electric locomotives.For electric locomotives,the electricity that's supplied to it.
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2016-02-27 02:55:27 UTC
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Ronald E
2009-02-02 09:25:02 UTC
Listen to "lawagoneer", he is 100% correct.
2009-02-02 03:12:52 UTC
The same as for the engine.
2009-02-02 04:47:15 UTC
...generators are on board, mostly everything is DC powered.


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